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SoulReever »
2012-02-22 11:01:23
Should the ROM header support for the Nintendo FDS be removed? MESS & Nestopia for example should support headerless ROMS IIRC. Obviously the Lynx & NES likely still need headered ROMS for emulator support (for now anyways) - but isn't it becoming redundant for the FDS?
Oh, and yes I am aware that I can just disable the header support it in ClrMAME to strip the headers. :)
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Connie »
2012-02-24 01:21:37
I would say yes, but not because there are emus that can run the dumps without headers, but because No-Intro is about preservation and shouldn't care about piracy or using emulators to play the dumps.
I pointed out a long time ago that these dumps should be split into at least their Disk parts and not the current non-standard of Side A/B-Disk 1/2 in one file.
Unless I'm mistaken, NES doesn't require headers either, nor do the dumps need to have their PRG/CHR ROMs dumps in the same file because MESS now uses xml hash files to run it's supported games/dumps.
If No-Intro drop headers, then they should at least 'store'/dat the data correctly.
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NES_FAN »
2012-02-24 07:03:29
"because MESS now uses xml hash files to run it's supported games/dumps."
What are saying here ?
Because MESS exists, we no longer need headers ?
Because MESS exists. no-one would want to use any other emulator for NES ?
This is no reason to remove the headers..
Other emulators require headers..
Having fds header support helps those that have never started collecting FDS
match the files..
After someone has a 'complete' set, it is upto them to decide if then want that collection (with or without headers)
This is called personal choice !
I see no advantage in removing header support, only a reduction in choice.
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Connie »
2012-02-24 11:27:17
No-Intro is not about emulation but preservation. MESS has nothing to do with the reason that headers shouldn't be present.
Headers are NOT part of the cart dump and therefore don't belong there.
Preservation sites don't need to care whether or not you can play the dumps, just that the dump is correct. They are not responsible for emulators and whether or not a dump is playable on a PC/MAC or whatever emu port it is.
If you're so bothered about playing these dumps, keep your existing set or get yourself a GOOD or TOSEC set or go pester other emu makers to add full support for headerless/split PRG-CHR ROM dumps. What you do with your collection is your business. I mentioned MESS because you have the option to use the dumps in their 'correct' format with this emulator. No one's forcing you to delete what you have on your HDD are they? No one's forcing you to use a new No-Intro dat. This is called your personal choice. Removing headers isn't about advantages/disadvantages, it's about accuracy. Two ROM dumps added together with a 16 byte header purely for emulation purposes is NOT accurate preservation!
People should remember that No-Intro isn't a ROM site but has to be involved in some form of distribution in order to dat and preserve data. People make their own collections of ROM, Disk and Optical dumps by using dat files supplied by the site in conjunction with a ROM manager. There are no 'collections' of dumps here.
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SoulReever »
2012-02-25 01:01:12
Just thought I would mention - bsnes v086 now supports headerless NES ROMS (.fc) and split PRG/CHR ROMS.
With regards to MESS, I was merely mentioning it as an example. I couldn't really care less about emulator support; Atari ST ipf's currently have no emulator support. The focus here is preservation, not support for copiers or emulators.
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SoulReever »
2013-02-27 14:19:34
An interesting discussion on FDS headers can be read here:
http://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?topic=15835.msg233980#msg233980
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2013-12-30 01:18:26
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omonim2007 »
2020-12-03 20:42:43
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ROM header in FDS images should not be removed.
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