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New Satellablog ROM + Discussion

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Anonymous » 2011-11-22 19:22:13

Another Satellablog ROM batch to add. :)

1) Monopoly 2 BS - Red Cup
2) Monopoly 2 BS - Yellow Cup
3) BS Tantei Club Chuuhen

Info on this specific batch is here.
http://superfamicom.org/blog/2011/11/new-rom-dumps-and-how-a-board-game-can-blow-my-mind/

And I have a question. Super Game Boy is a cartridge, not a bios. Byuu from bsnes could confirm this, and every other version of it is actually marked as a catridge, because they are not some kind of BIOS or anything. If what you find is really a BIOS, and not the Super Game Boy rom, I'm very interested to know how this could be possible. The Super Game Boy was a real game boy hardware inside a snes cartridge, with a rom inside who emulate the gb bios. They are no "bios" inside.

C. V. Reynolds » 2011-11-23 01:17:50

I do believe that the BIOS of the Super Game Boy is in fact the SGB special chip inside of the cartridge. It is not the Super Game Boy ROM, which is a separate thing. Though it may be wrong to call it a BIOS anyway, now that you mention it. I'm not sure what to rename the file to, however.

I suppose if we harbor this Super Game Boy chip, then we should collect all of the special chip dumps that are out there. CX-4, the ST and DSP series, etc.

Anonymous » 2011-11-23 06:50:59

That's right, you are definitly right. Leave it marked as BIOS, but include them all.

Cx4:
http://byuu.org/snes/cx4/cx4.bin

DSP-1, DSP-2, DSP-1B, DSP-3, DSP-4, ST0010, and ST0011:
http://www.mediafire.com/?xofscp7yiimfsn9

Here you go, that's a great idea, keep up the good work ! :)

Anonymous » 2011-11-23 09:31:27

Hello! Thinking about special chips, what about marking the ROMs of cartridges that contain those chips as "incomplete games" when the associated special chip ROM is missing?

Anonymous » 2011-11-23 15:34:47

"Hello! Thinking about special chips, what about marking the ROMs of cartridges that contain those chips as "incomplete games" when the associated special chip ROM is missing?"

Because it solely depends on emulator strategy than anything else. When using HLE, you don't need them. When using LLE (like Bsnes), you need them. By the way, there is no way you could create those games on a flash cart, or anything.

Every BS games, every NP games, every satelaview game, every game with a chips will be all incomplete? That might not be a good idea.

The games are complete, the original cartridge needed a special chip to do some calculation. If you go that way, every game with saving feature should be marked as incomplete too. So, no. Not a good idea.

But including every chips as BIOS is a good one.

Anonymous » 2011-11-24 03:07:05

"Because it solely depends on emulator strategy than anything else. When using HLE, you don't need them. When using LLE (like Bsnes), you need them. By the way, there is no way you could create those games on a flash cart, or anything."

I was neither thinking on emulation nor running real hardware. Just thinking for the sake of completeness. But I see your point.

"Every BS games, every NP games, every satelaview game, every game with a chips will be all incomplete? That might not be a good idea."

Why not? Is game completeness related to playability in certain emulators or to covering the real media content thoroughly? In any case, I would not consider special cartridges and special internal chips the same way.

"The games are complete, the original cartridge needed a special chip to do some calculation. If you go that way, every game with saving feature should be marked as incomplete too. So, no. Not a good idea."

I see. Most of them are indeed complete in a logical sense. In some cases, however, the special chip is used for gameplay. The game "Hayazashi Nidan Morita Shougi 2" seems to use the ST-0018 to implement a Shougi AI (I know... obscure example with undumped chip ROM).

"But including every chips as BIOS is a good one."

You are probably right :). Let me just nitpick a little: the term BIOS, although popular, does not seem to be correct, as it is an acronym for "Basic Input/Output System" and is strongly coupled with the IBM PC architecture. I would use the term "Firmware", which is more general.

Anonymous » 2011-11-24 07:50:14

"Let me just nitpick a little: the term BIOS, although popular, does not seem to be correct, as it is an acronym for "Basic Input/Output System" and is strongly coupled with the IBM PC architecture. I would use the term "Firmware", which is more general."

Very good idea indeed :)

C. V. Reynolds » 2011-11-29 16:30:47

I added those Satellaview games, so this discussion may now be closed. Don't worry; I'll get to those other special chip binaries.